tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post2453784304869355908..comments2024-03-27T09:04:12.454-07:00Comments on Baring the Aegis: R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to meElani Temperancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05611003885755154591noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-78426489118489401902013-01-31T14:35:44.191-08:002013-01-31T14:35:44.191-08:00@Julia: Thank you for your comment. I did mention ...@Julia: Thank you for your comment. I did mention atheists in the list of 'under the Pagan banner, but not my cup of tea', didn't I...? At any rate, I do understand people not identifying as p/Pagan; the term certainly has a varied past. Personally, I have no problem with the reinvented meaning of the word, and identify as a Hellenist first, but Pagan second. YMMV :)Elani Temperancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611003885755154591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-26282613750964989192013-01-31T14:19:10.103-08:002013-01-31T14:19:10.103-08:00I don't want to rain on your parade; but, I ha...I don't want to rain on your parade; but, I have read people who boldly proclaim themselves to be atheists to be pagan; which is, by the way, a legitimate dictionary meaning of the word. It was not until the Christians that the word pagan had gained a meaning of "idol worshipper." Again, this is not a very positive construction at all. I DO NOT consider myself to be either a small letter "p" or capital letter "P" pagan as it does not have any real meaning. I don't hate Wiccans, atheists, informed neos or even poor benighted fluffs. I just don't want to identify with them. I don't celebrate Samhain and they don't celebrate Anthesteria. Julia Erganehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04613625453621934834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-30320686619474641292013-01-31T12:30:02.633-08:002013-01-31T12:30:02.633-08:00Thank you, Shadow :)Thank you, Shadow :)Elani Temperancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611003885755154591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-64742244567216195772013-01-31T12:21:15.076-08:002013-01-31T12:21:15.076-08:00Great post. I understood what you were trying to s...Great post. I understood what you were trying to say, and actually think you said it very clearly FWIW. Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07628641696273774157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-41215345516813598012013-01-31T08:44:57.561-08:002013-01-31T08:44:57.561-08:00@Naiadis: I'm a huge fan of The Lore, and in f...@Naiadis: I'm a huge fan of The Lore, and in full Recon paths (like mine), I try to steer clear of anything that isn't The Lore (as much as that is humanly possible within the restrictions of The Lore). That said, I have no say what so ever over anyone else's path. Would I prefer people who I would consider non-Recon stop labeling themselves as Recon? sure! That doesn't mean I have to force that upon them (if that were even possible).<br /><br />Like you, I prefer my own pond, but I also have a strong longing for community that readers of this blog have long since been made aware of. As such, I need to find my own boundaries and work with that--posts like these are written to form that foundation. <br /><br />Thank you for your comment, I'm glad to read you understand where I'm coming from :)Elani Temperancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611003885755154591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-54371862084106500482013-01-31T08:39:00.349-08:002013-01-31T08:39:00.349-08:00@Joseph: I seem to have a trouble getting my point...@Joseph: I seem to have a trouble getting my points across this week; I'm sorry. Let me try to nuance my reaction. Not considering someone to be under the same religious 'umbrella' is in no way 'hating' them; if someone does not want to be there, then who am I to judge? My problem comes from people stabbing knives in the backs of those under the same umbrella--but honestly also in the backs of those under different 'umbrella's'. I don't condone (unfounded) negativity on the Islam or Christianity on that blog as much as I will not allow negativity against Neo-Paganism or Asatru (for example). <br /><br />Now, I'm not saying I think everyone should just get alng, and enjoy rainbows and candy cotton together, but saying things like:<br /><br />"Because I’m done playing nice with this fluffy neopagan bullshit."<br /><br />...does not fly with me. Quote taken from the link. You don't have to do anything with anyone if you don't want to, and you sure as heck don't have to agree with everything either, but there can be civility between the group--there has to be civility between the groups--at least under the Pagan banner. It's already a pretty small banner, compared to the rest of the religious landscape, so why make enemies of people who label themselves under the same over-arching banner?<br /><br />I'm all for the dialogue you propose--someone's believes can most certainly be different than my own--but that gives me no right to assume my believes are 'better' or 'more true'. This is why I'm against the knee-jerk reaction Naiadis describes, and it's this knee-jerk reaction I read in that post. <br /><br />I hope this is somewhat clearer; the short version is that there is nothing wrong with the dialogue, but bashing a group of people for not believing what you believe is something I am against, and it is something I won't tolerate on this blog. Elani Temperancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611003885755154591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-55713109470177580002013-01-31T06:30:17.903-08:002013-01-31T06:30:17.903-08:00Gaaar. It's been ages since I was in any way i...Gaaar. It's been ages since I was in any way involved in the heathen community, but my time with them is when I picked up my knee-jerk, anti-"fluffy" habits. It wasn't anything that was actively promoted -- mostly -- but, at least with the heathens I was exposed to, there was a big "it has to be grounded in The Lore" push, and, yes, there was some "anti-fluffy" bits. Which is still annoying, because some of the "fluffy" stuff was things like energy work and the like -- stuff that I *do*.<br /><br />I don't have much experience with other recon or recon-inspired paths, outside of the Heathen (and specifically Asatru) and Hellenic communities, and I'm happy to mostly play in my own pond, at this point. However, it's great seeing posts like this, so thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382184804747180588.post-92164176810314012262013-01-31T06:10:30.109-08:002013-01-31T06:10:30.109-08:00I'm not sure where you get the notion that not...I'm not sure where you get the notion that not considering someone to be under the same religious "umbrella" is somehow "hating" them.<br /><br />Just because someone is entitled to their own UPG, or their own interpretation of my Gods, doesn't mean I am compelled to call them my spiritual kin. <br /><br />Pointing out that someone's beliefs are different from my own, and that we belong in two separate categories because of it, is not "spreading hate". <br /><br />I'm genuinely curious as to why you seem to think it is.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.com