Showing posts with label Language. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Language. Show all posts
I was talking to an Elaion member recently who takes part in our Practicing Apart Together rituals. She wondered how to best pronounce the names of the Hellenic Gods. I shared with her the following tool, and I wanted to share it with you today as well: the sound library of greek-gods.info.

The library has sound files of the names of Titans, Olympians, many of the other Gods, mythological creatures and heroes, in both Greek and English. I especially love listening to both files for one name, and spotting the differences. Let's just say that there are plenty.
I was going to write an awesome long about mythology and/or ancient Hellas, but then I found the sound library of greek-gods.info and it all went out the window. I've been listening to sound files for the past half hour.

 
I have learned long ago that Hollywood ruined my ability to pronounce anything even vaguely Hellenic in a manner that the ancient Hellenes or their modern offspring would recognize ('dih-mee'-tur', really?). I've been trying to get back to the way I used to pronounce the names of the Theoi; Dutch pronunciation is actually much closer to the Greek than the English version. It's hard to unlearn something, though, especially when I recite the hymn--for example--in English.

While hunting for something else on the internet, I stumbled upon greek-god.info's sound library, which has sound files of the names of Titans, Olympians, many of the other Gods, mythological creatures and heroes, in both Greek and English. I especially love listening to both files for one name, and spotting the differences. Let's just say that there are plenty.

I'll get you a proper post tomorrow, but for today, you should be set with this database. Enjoy!

Some days I get reminded how little ancient or even modern Greek I know. I'm not the best with languages, and although I'd love to say I have a special Percy Jackson-esque ability to read ancient Greek without effort, I don't. My understanding of the ancient language is one I hope to increase in the coming years, and when I do, perhaps I could travel to Turkey for some practice.


This video, by the University of Cambridge, shows a bit of the journey of  Cambridge researcher Dr. Ioanna Sitaridou, as she travels to north-eastern Turkey, where an endangered Greek dialect which closely resembles ancient Hellenic is still spoken. The dialect, called Romeyka, is far more widespread than the tiny mountain villages of north-eastern Turkey, but because of the remote location of the towns, their version of the dialect was influenced far less by contact with other languages and dialects that the more widespread version of Romeyka. The discovery is labeled a linguistic treasure trove by researchers.

Because this is not my area of expertise at all, I'm going to copy/paste wiki for a bit of history on the Romeyka language:

"Pontic Greek (Greek: Ποντιακή διάλεκτος or Ποντιακά), is a form of the Greek language originally spoken in the Pontus area on the southern shores of the Black Sea, northeastern Anatolia, Eastern Turkish/Caucasus province of Kars, southern Georgia, and today mainly in northern Greece. Its speakers are referred to as Pontic Greeks or Pontian Greeks.
The linguistic lineage of Pontic Greek stems from Ionic Greek via Koine and Byzantine Greek and contains influences from Georgian, Russian, Turkish and to a lesser extent, Persian (via Ottoman Turkish) and various Caucasian languages. Pontic is most closely related to Cappadocian Greek, and the Greek spoken in Mariupolis (and formerly in Crimea, Ukraine) (see Mariupolitan Greek).
Historically the speakers of Pontic Greek called it Romeyka (Romeika, Greek: Ρωμαίικα), which, in a more general sense, is also a historical and colloquial term for the modern Greek language as a whole. The term "Pontic" originated in scholarly usage, but has been adopted as a mark of identity by Pontic Greeks living in Greece.
The inhabitants of the Of valley who had converted to Islam in the 17th century remained in Turkey and have partly retained the Pontic language until today. Their dialect, which forms part of the Trapezountiac subgroup, is called "Ophitic" by linguists, but speakers generally call it Romeyka. As few as 5,000 people speak this dialect. Estimations show however that the real number of the speakers must be considerably higher.
Ophitic has retained the infinitive, which is present in Ancient Greek but has been lost in other variants of Modern Greek; it has therefore been characterized as "archaic" (even in relation to other Pontic dialects) and as the living language that is closest to Ancient Greek. A very similar dialect is spoken by descendants of Christians from the Of valley now living in Greece in the village of Nea Trapezounta, Pieria, Central Macedonia), with about 400 speakers."

It's striking to me how different the pronunciation is between these speakers and, for example, the young man below, who is trained in ancient Greek (and Latin, Italian, Russian, Japanese, etc.).



I am sure dialect is part of the difference, but I think the biggest difference comes from years upon years of use. For the young man above, ancient Greek is a subject of study. For the men and women in the Turkish mountain villages, their language is their language; they were raised with it. Their version is a lot less 'clean'. I value this young man's recording, I love hearing the women in the other video speak. It sounds far more like the way the ancient Hellenes would have spoken with each other, although that opinion is, of course, subjective.
Alright, so, the language buffs out there will most likely already know most of these words have roots in the Hellenic language, and most words must at least sound familiar to many Hellenists. Perhaps a better title would have been 'Modern English words the average Joe on the street might not know were derived from Greek', but the title was long as it was, so I think we're good. With that out of the way, the point of this post: we use with roots in the ancient Hellenic language almost daily. Many concepts from science, politics, medicine and society are derived from ancient Hellenic roots, and the names often stuck. Here is a list of a few common, interesting, funny, or simply obvious ones, this image courtesy of Facebook, so if you made this, please let me know so I can properly link back to you and give you major thanks.


Wikipedia says that, in a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly (if one counts modern coinages from Greek roots as Greek). Seeing as it's Wikipedia, I'm not at all sure those numbers are correct, but it is something to think about, at least.

PS: Tomorrow, it's back to actual, in-depth posts, but today, I'm feeling a good bit under the weather. Sickness trumps any attempt at coherent writing, I'm afraid. Check back tomorrow for something more than this. Thank you!
Sappho (Σαπφώ) was a Hellenic lyric poet, born on the island of Lesbos (Λέσβος) around 620 BC, although the exact date is unknown. She wrote beautiful and highly romantic poetry that comes and goes straight to the heart. One of my favorite hymns is by her: the Hymn to Aphrodite. Yesterday, I got sent a 2010 interview by Peter Camarda, who interviews the late local SF writer/philosopher/activist Arthur Evans. A large part of the interview centers around a reading of Sappho's hymn to Aphrodite, in both english and ancient Greek. The discussion about the hymn is also very interesting, so for anyone interested in ancient Hellas, Sappho, and poetry, this is a must see. I have also included my favorite translation of the hymn below. Enjoy!


"Iridescent-throned Aphrodite, deathless
Child of Zeus, wile-weaver, I now implore you,
Don't--I beg you, Lady--with pains and torments
Crush down my spirit,

But before if ever you've heard my pleadings
Then return, as once when you left your father's
Golden house; you yoked to your shining car your
Wing-whirring sparrows;

Skimming down the paths of the sky's bright ether
On they brought you over the earth's black bosom,
Swiftly--then you stood with a sudden brilliance,
Goddess, before me;

Deathless face alight with your smile, you asked me
What I suffered, who was my cause of anguish,
What would ease the pain of my frantic mind, and
Why had I called you

To my side: "And whom should Persuasion summon
Here, to soothe the sting of your passion this time?
Who is now abusing you, Sappho? Who is
Treating you cruelly?

Now she runs away, but she'll soon pursue you;
Gifts she now rejects--soon enough she'll give them;
Now she doesn't love you, but soon her heart will
Burn, though unwilling."

Come to me once more, and abate my torment;
Take the bitter care from my mind, and give me
All I long for; Lady, in all my battles
Fight as my comrade."
Today's Hekate's Deipnon and I have a lot to do for it so I'm keeping this post brief. Since my progression into Hellenismos, I have started to consider language in Pagan practice. Although I am Dutch, I have nearly always practiced in English. I love this language; it's softer, more poetic, more fluid than Dutch. It has synonyms that make sense. 'Practicing in English' became part of my practice. When I set out onto the Hellenic path, I naturally started practicing in English. I can't read or pronounce Greek yet so it made sense. Since about a week, I am not so sure anymore.

I tried an on-the-spot translation into Dutch of my daily prayers and hymns and felt a deeper connection to Deity than I had felt before within this practice. I started wondering why that was as I stumbled through my translations this week. I think... that especially Hestia appreciates my Dutch prayers and hymns because Dutch is the language that is spoken in this household. It's part of our Oikos. I'm not sure the others care very much.

Of course, I would rather practice in ancient Hellas. I got myself a home study course and will be attempting to learn as much as I can on my own before taking a language course. It's not mandatory in Hellenismos to speak Greek but I would love to be able to read the hymns, myths and plays I base my practice on in their original language and form. Translations are lovely but there is always artistic freedom. Besides, for me, it's the language of the Gods.

I realize that this is mostly a Recon issue; I never worried about this when I was still a practicing Neo-Wiccan or Eclectic Religious Witch. Yet, I do now, and I wonder where you stand on this. Is language an influential factor in religious practice? Should you adapt your language used for the Gods who are worshipped? If you have an opinion on this, I would love to hear it.